Interesting discussion on site today stemmed from our live blog on the country’s involvement on Syria airstrikes
Reaction to an article calling for a people’s vote on Brexit provoked some of the most interesting discussion on site today. We’re also looking at your views on the Syria airstrikes and plastic rubbish.
To join in the conversation you can click on the links in the comments below to expand and add your thoughts. We’ll continue to highlight more comments worth reading as the day goes on.
It’s quite clear that Theresa May and her government hold parliament in utter contempt. The two big issues of the day are Syria and Brexit, and the government has sought to hamstring parliament on both of these issues. There is a democratic deficit at the heart of government, this has been a power grab by an executive lacking a binding democratic mandate to undertake their actions. Not that the opposition front bench has any right to preach on the democratic front given the leadership is so at odds with the membership over one of those two issues.
In general (with huge caveats based on personal experience) I am an advocate for the UN. However, it will never be possible to get the blessing of the security council for a strike against any nation when China and Russia see things differently from the USA, UK and France – any move would be vetoed. It is a design flaw with the system, but then the UN was never intended to have authority over its member states and certainly not over permanent members of the security council. For Labour to be arguing in favour of gaining UN backing is either disingenuous or simply shows a lack of understanding about how the body works.
I remember as a kid my mother used to send me over to the local shops with a string bag for carrying home the things I got for her. They were perfect for the job. Flexible, expanded to the shape of the groceries, lightweight and strong. Totally fit for purpose, like the fruit shop’s brown paper bags and the white butcher’s paper. We wrapped the rubbish in newspaper before putting it in the metal garbage tin, which was a fraction of the capacity of today’s wheelie bins. It was also normal then to drink water from taps. Then supermarkets and cars took over and the excess of throwaway consumerism killed all common sense.
The old saying “out of sight, out of mind” was never so apt as in this instance. Many people throw their rubbish and walk away without the slightest care as to what happens afterwards. I feel education at primary school level about the horrendous effects of plastic rubbish might go some way towards helping the problem. We were taught as kids to always bin our rubbish, and we always have done so ever since. Small children tend to learn good and bad habits easily, so making the habits good ones seems like a no-brainer.
No one doubts the result in June 2016. The point that all the people on here who will no doubt post variants of “we won, suck it up” (and already have) is this:
We get that you won.
I voted Remain but the vote has been had. However its dressed up, another vote will simply be a re-run to try to get the “right” result and that cannot be right. Lets say a second vote gave a win for Remain, would that mean we needed a third to have best of three?
It is spurious to say that the Leave win is invalidated by “lies”. The Remain camp promised immediate recession and a punishment budget in the wake of a Leave vote but those things haven’t happened either.